tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post6602838991830464737..comments2024-01-27T06:41:13.204-05:00Comments on Bracketology 101: B101's Weekday Tweets - WednesdayBracketology 101http://www.blogger.com/profile/01277396896660963269noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-3169274825488698992010-02-18T20:46:57.168-05:002010-02-18T20:46:57.168-05:00Mr. K
If Uconn goes 4-1 in their next 5 and their...Mr. K<br /><br />If Uconn goes 4-1 in their next 5 and their one loss is to WVU, do they need to win more then 1 in the BE tournament?jetsfootball177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-58365177064016039562010-02-18T19:11:51.541-05:002010-02-18T19:11:51.541-05:00@Shaudius
Our best player was out for our loss to...@Shaudius<br /><br />Our best player was out for our loss to Richmond, and was essentially a scarecrow during our loss to Charlotte. He was kicked in the head against Fordham, giving him migraines and a concussion. He should not have played against Charlotte, but did (to a degree). He couldn't concentrate because of the noise and bright lights, and was forced to leave the game where he was seen on TV covering his ears and his eyes with a towel. So with him healthy, we win at least one of those games.<br /><br />So since that's factored in for OSU, I hope it's also factored in for Temple.Jeff Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17391701310651038785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-22416023804491205532010-02-18T18:25:48.396-05:002010-02-18T18:25:48.396-05:00Agreed that Bryant probably isn't the worst te...Agreed that Bryant probably isn't the worst team out there - just find the RPI to be a strange beast in general. No ranking system will be perfect, but the RPI is overly simplistic and yet counterintuitive. Like if you gave the BCS football computers a lobotomy.<br /><br />My main gripe with RPI as its used today is that there should be some element of how good someone was when you beat them. Teams change in quality as the season goes on for a lot of reasons, and their opponents end up unjustly punished or rewarded because of a swoon or sudden uptick in play. The idea that someone can become a good win or bad loss several months after you played them is ridiculous.<br /><br />Well, not true, I probably have a laundry list of gripes to add to that about the RPI, but that's my primary one now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-19317564399845531032010-02-18T17:59:30.374-05:002010-02-18T17:59:30.374-05:00Saint Louis needs at least 11 wins to be in the mi...Saint Louis needs at least 11 wins to be in the mix for an at-large. If they could ever get to 12, they would be in the field heading into the A-10 tourney. <br /><br />Kansas State is already a 2 seed in our bracket. If the question was meant to say "1 seed," the Wildcats are still very much in the mix. They are going to have to win out, though, which would include a win at Kansas. If they lose to the Jayhawks, they would have to win the Big XII tournament to jump up to a 1.Bracketology 101https://www.blogger.com/profile/01277396896660963269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-8468712384752017212010-02-18T17:46:54.536-05:002010-02-18T17:46:54.536-05:00Kenpom has them as 346 ahead of 1 win Alcorn State...Kenpom has them as 346 ahead of 1 win Alcorn State, to be fair, Bryant is probably actually better than them.Shaudiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00913292219006771394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-42427376172219602752010-02-18T17:37:41.435-05:002010-02-18T17:37:41.435-05:00Your RPI fun fact of the day:
The winless Bryant ...Your RPI fun fact of the day:<br /><br />The winless Bryant Bulldogs are currently above one four-win team in the RPI because they played a tougher schedule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-9421622713325654942010-02-18T17:26:56.351-05:002010-02-18T17:26:56.351-05:00"I'm not following you Shadius. Sagarin, ..."I'm not following you Shadius. Sagarin, Pomeroy, and RPI all have the Big East as the better conference.<br /><br />As a corollary to your argument, it also means Big East teams get to play the really bad teams less also. (i.e. Iowa, Penn State, Indiana, DePaul, Rutgers)"<br /><br />It is a fair point that you also play the bottom less although I would argue that there are more legitimate teams at the top of the Big Ten in relative number than there are at the top of the BE, even if you take out Illinois you're talking about 4/11 versus 5/16 and more stinkers 4/16(St. John's, Rutgers, DePaul, Providence) versus 3/11(Iowa, Penn State, Indiana) in the BE, meaning you're more likely to play 7/16 likely to play a middle pack team in the BE versus 4/11 in the BT. <br /><br /><br />"You destroy the RPI for having Duke too high (and I agree), yet you praise Pomeroy. The same Pomeroy that has Duke at #2."<br /><br />I agree that Duke is too high in both, I was just using Duke as a quick example for the RPI, but the real kicker is how low OSU is(42 as of today), I praise Pomeroy because as a whole I feel it is much more accurate and predictive than the RPI, not perfect either, but I admit I could have just stuck with the OSU example. <br /><br />Regardless, I did not mean to get into a which conference is better argument, the BE is better, but the difference isn't that great was my point, the whole thing stemed from B101 stating that Purdue would have an easier time in the BTT than Cuse or Nova would, and therefore he liked them better as a 1 seed down the stretch, my point was that the BT isn't that much worse in the middle than the BE, so to say that Purdue has an easier road is selling the BT short. <br /><br />The reason I like Purdue down the stretch more personally is because the bulk of Purdue's tough games are behind them, and their remaining games that are the most difficult are at home(MSU and Illinois, although at Minn isn't a gimme), whereas both Nova and Cuse have more difficult games ahead of them because their schedules are more backloaded.Shaudiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00913292219006771394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-24413861973255868402010-02-18T17:14:20.568-05:002010-02-18T17:14:20.568-05:00How many conference wins will St. Louis need to ge...How many conference wins will St. Louis need to get in at large discussion? Could you see any chance for K State to climb up to a 2 seed? Thank you and keep up the outstanding work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-27866397317848553182010-02-18T17:04:50.667-05:002010-02-18T17:04:50.667-05:00If ODU wins at Northern Iowa and wins at least a s...If ODU wins at Northern Iowa and wins at least a share of the Colonial regular season title, they'll get an at-large. The Colonial is going to get at most two bids, and if ODU wins the CAA tourney, it'll be a one-bid league.<br /><br />Nice line, Howard. Throw Lindsey Jacobellis into that mix too.Bracketology 101https://www.blogger.com/profile/01277396896660963269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-28749295394718039892010-02-18T17:04:19.502-05:002010-02-18T17:04:19.502-05:00I'm not following you Shadius. Sagarin, Pomer...I'm not following you Shadius. Sagarin, Pomeroy, and RPI all have the Big East as the better conference.<br /><br />As a corollary to your argument, it also means Big East teams get to play the really bad teams less also. (i.e. Iowa, Penn State, Indiana, DePaul, Rutgers)<br /><br />You destroy the RPI for having Duke too high (and I agree), yet you praise Pomeroy. The same Pomeroy that has Duke at #2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-80408099104755424192010-02-18T16:56:54.968-05:002010-02-18T16:56:54.968-05:00Brett - it's much better to beat 4 ACC teams j...Brett - it's much better to beat 4 ACC teams just now outside of the top 100 (Virginia, NC State, Boston College) than it is to lose 5 extra games to the top 25. Virginia was even considered a quality win after they had beaten several quality ACC teams in a row.<br /><br />Teams don't (or shouldn't) get extra credit for just playing and losing to top teams. If at this point VT had lost to 4 top ACC teams and had a 4-5 ACC record, instead of the winning against the bottom 4 and earning an 8-3 record, they'd rightfully be out of the picture. There's only so much you can control your schedule, and in conference you can only play who you've been given.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-63371205923061750902010-02-18T16:48:59.235-05:002010-02-18T16:48:59.235-05:00" Anonymous said...
Here's the diffe..." Anonymous said...<br /><br /> Here's the difference Shaudius. The top 4 teams in the Big East are among the top 10 teams in the country. The top 4 teams in the Big 10 are among the top 40 in the country."<br /><br />Are they? Says what, the flawed RPI? Thats the same RPI that says that Duke is better than UK, Cuse, WVU and Nova.<br /><br />So you're also prepared to say that Ohio State is the 42nd best team in the country? <br /><br />the Pomeroy rankings, the AP and Coaches polls, Saragin ratings and common sense all say that the RPI is the exception to the huge lopsided BE being that much better argument. <br /><br />But regardless, my point was that the Big East may play their middle teams more, but they play against their top teams less, so more teams end up with records that are closer to 13-12 than 6-19 which they'd have if they played the top more instead of the middle more, this makes teams like Minnesota look extremely bad compared to teams like USF because Minnesota has to play better teams more often than USF does. <br /><br />Its a lot harder to win a lot of games when you're playing more top 25 teams than when you're playing more top 75 teams is my whole point. <br /><br />BE plays more middle teams, less top teams in a season.<br /><br />Regardless of all that, I'm still putting a ton more stock in tempo free than I am in RPI, especially since if you follow tempo free its basically predictive to within 2 points of where Vegas sets the lines for games which usually end up being pretty accurate to the final score(with some variance obviously).Shaudiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00913292219006771394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-40494958130921852702010-02-18T16:41:17.619-05:002010-02-18T16:41:17.619-05:00Who's having it worse? Northwestern or the U.S...Who's having it worse? Northwestern or the U.S. curling team?Howard Salwasserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17582102320428786660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-23591297865606397152010-02-18T16:27:28.391-05:002010-02-18T16:27:28.391-05:00Could Old Dominion earn an at large if they win at...Could Old Dominion earn an at large if they win at Northern Iowa? How many Colonial teams do you see making the field?Travisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-29530893645149844682010-02-18T16:25:45.324-05:002010-02-18T16:25:45.324-05:00I don't know if I was a Big East fan if I'...I don't know if I was a Big East fan if I'd be talking much smack to the Big Ten. Purdue absolutely dominated West Virginia. Michigan beat UConn. Wisconsin beat Marquette. Northwestern beat DePaul. Even Indiana beat Pitt. <br /><br />The computer rankings I respect (note the RPI) show the Big East with a slight edge and that may be true, but the two conferences are interchangeable.Ermohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11456065444314000320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-78974212319466199742010-02-18T16:24:09.364-05:002010-02-18T16:24:09.364-05:00There is a huge difference between going 1-6 vs. t...There is a huge difference between going 1-6 vs. the top 25 and going 1-1 vs. the top 25. That's 5 extra chances for Team B to pick up a quality win.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-45995899796722108252010-02-18T16:12:51.101-05:002010-02-18T16:12:51.101-05:00Beisketbol,
Yeah, I wasn't really arguing for...Beisketbol,<br /><br />Yeah, I wasn't really arguing for inclusion of SHU. I was, more or less, arguing that Virginia Tech still isn't that impressive. And yes, Tech beat SHU on a neutral floor in OT. So, the edge definitely goes to Tech, but they're pretty close.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378279612104758128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-89224456916037134192010-02-18T16:09:46.885-05:002010-02-18T16:09:46.885-05:00You're basically saying the Big East teams pla...You're basically saying the Big East teams play an easier schedule, right?<br /><br />SOS:<br /><br />Cuse: 12<br />Nova: 31<br />Pitt: 10<br />Gtown: 2<br />WVU: 3<br /><br />Purdue: 43<br />OSU: 66<br />Illinois: 64<br />MSU: 50<br />Wis: 14<br /><br />Hmmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-61590213256658164122010-02-18T16:06:53.401-05:002010-02-18T16:06:53.401-05:00Brett, Seton Hall could easily end up at 10-8 in c...Brett, Seton Hall could easily end up at 10-8 in conference with their remaining schedule (@WVU, Rutgers, Marquette, @Rutgers, @Providence). They would certainly have to at least go 4-1 in that stretch to have any shot of getting in though. <br /><br />You did fail to point out that Team A beat Team B on a neutral floor. <br /><br />That said, Va Tech doesn't have much room for error with their not-so-impressive resume. Though, it's tough to put Tech behind some of the teams with better wins that are in the middle of the ACC standings (FSU, Georgia Tech, Clemson), especially when they're tied for second in the league.BEISketbolhttp://www.beisketbol.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-73167351298523209262010-02-18T16:06:07.522-05:002010-02-18T16:06:07.522-05:00Here's the difference Shaudius. The top 4 tea...Here's the difference Shaudius. The top 4 teams in the Big East are among the top 10 teams in the country. The top 4 teams in the Big 10 are among the top 40 in the country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-55616940927467742782010-02-18T16:02:26.665-05:002010-02-18T16:02:26.665-05:00I'll take UConn, Cincy, Marquette, and Louisvi...I'll take UConn, Cincy, Marquette, and Louisville over any middle of the road Big 10 team. The Big 12 and Big East are the best conferences this year. The RPI thinks so too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-60500357756890018082010-02-18T15:46:10.695-05:002010-02-18T15:46:10.695-05:00One more, Cuse plays the top four teams out of the...One more, Cuse plays the top four teams out of the BE a total of 5 times, thats even one less than Nova does. Losing 1 out of 3 of those tims so far, with 2 more to come. Georgetown plays em 6 times as well. Noticing a trend?Shaudiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00913292219006771394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-766985933935771032010-02-18T15:38:13.331-05:002010-02-18T15:38:13.331-05:00While the BE may be deeper, its also much larger, ...While the BE may be deeper, its also much larger, when you're talking about conferences its something that is usually neglected by BE supporters.<br /><br />5 teams in out of the BT is equivalent to ~7.5 teams in out of the BE. <br /><br />Another downside to having so many teams in the BE, depending on the schedule breaks, you end up playing the good teams far less in the BE than you do in the Big Ten, Nova was a victim of this this season, <br /><br />Of the other tournament locks from the BE Nova will have played 6 games by the end of the year, if you count Pitt, WVU, Cuse and Georgetown<br /><br />Purdue on the other hand will have played the other top 4 teams in the BT, MSU, OSU, Wisconsin and Illinois 8 times.<br /><br />As their head to head and OOC schedules have shown, there's little difference between playing Notre Dame and playing NW, I would also imagine there's little difference between playing Minnesota and playing Cincy. Sure the BE teams may be perceived better, but are they really? NW beat ND straight up neutral court, Minnesota played TAMU tight and beat Butler early in the year. Middle the road Michigan beat middle of the road uconn, granted at Michigan.<br /><br />The bottom of the BE is also as bad as the bottom of the Big Ten, losing to Rutgers or DePaul is just as bad as losing to Iowa or Indiana. <br /><br />I will admit to not knowing exactly how the BE tournament works, but to say that playing Marquette or Cincy would be tougher than playing Minnesota or NW, doesn't really hold much weight to me, they're all around the same level. <br /><br />The BE being so huge means there's a huge bubble as the middling teams in the middle beat themselves up, it doesn't make them better. The middle teams in the BT get beat up by the top more because they play the top more.<br /><br />The BE ends up playing schedules like Nova, the BT ends up playing schedules like Purdue most of the time.Shaudiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00913292219006771394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-68900500545199089332010-02-18T15:27:38.044-05:002010-02-18T15:27:38.044-05:00Here's a fun little game:
Team A:
RPI=47
Reco...Here's a fun little game:<br /><br />Team A:<br />RPI=47<br />Record vs RPI top 25: 1-1<br />Record vs RPI 25-50: 1-1<br />Record vs RPI 50-100: 4-2<br />Record vs RPI 100+: 15-0<br /><br />Team B:<br />RPI=54<br />Record vs RPI top 25: 1-6<br />Record vs RPI top 50: 2-2<br />Record vs RPI 50-100: 3-1<br />Record vs RPI 100+: 9-0<br /><br />The teams aren't very different except for top 25 record. However, one team is going to be in everyone's bracket while the other team isn't even on the bubble for most bracketologists.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378279612104758128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9072987.post-70182390142208790552010-02-18T15:11:39.685-05:002010-02-18T15:11:39.685-05:00Not sure how you could put Dook ahead of Purdue. ...Not sure how you could put Dook ahead of Purdue. Sure the Blue Devils beat a bunch of inferior top-50 teams, but they have struggled in true road games, going just 4-4 (best win @Clemson, yawn), and are only 2-2 against the RPI top 25, with their best win probably against Gonzaga on a neutral floor. <br /><br />In contrast, Purdue is 5-1 (yeah, 5-1) against the RPI top 25 and 6-2 in true road contests. Both teams beat Wake at home so that's a wash. Purdue has very nice wins at home against WVU and 'Sconsin and on the road against MSU, OSU, and Illinois. Not to mention their neutral site win against Tennessee.<br /><br />Thus, the Boilers have a much better case of being an "elite" team as of now. This, of course, could change, especially since the Dookies have a much better chance of winning the ACC tournament than Purdue does of winning the Big Ten tourney. The top of the Big Ten is much, much better than the top of the ACC this year.BEISketbolhttp://www.beisketbol.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com